Health, longevity and the reality of Methusulah

[Mart]

Among materials on health, gevity, etc. I find this one very interesting one:
Ulrich Strunz
Forever Young

He wrote also other on similar topics. This one is from Abe Books:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=14907444633&searchurl=an%3DStrunz%2C+Ulrich

And another thing pertaining to exercise:
Recently I found some info on "Old school new body" and I try this. What's interesting, the authors claim, that excessive workout produces a lot of free radicals in our bodies, so we actually often can age quicker. They recommend the basic program, 3 x 30 minutes workout a week. Intensive, where you do repetitions around 40 seconds and another 40 seconds rest. No stopping. They claim, actors decades ago were able to get in shape this way very quickly.

And this is only a small part, like many findings/options/etc. According to Bible, people were living over 900 years before the deluge, and creationists explain why, if someone believes that.

[Vishniac]

According to Bible, people were living over 900 years before the deluge, and creationists explain why, if someone believes that.

I don't. Thanks!

Pause soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIIATt0BaM

In English, this book is interesting but goes perhaps too far for most people. However I think benefits are linear.
http://www.findingultra.com/

[Rusty Edge]

And this is only a small part, like many findings/options/etc. According to Bible, people were living over 900 years before the deluge, and creationists explain why, if someone believes that.

I figure that part of the book is really old, has been retold, translated and transcribed a lot.
Sometimes I wonder if maybe they only lived ,  say, 900 months. Wouldn't that be remarkable in the stone or bronze age, before sanitation, medicine, nutrition, parasitology, etc.? I think so.  Or maybe somebody moved a decimal or comma or put down an extra zero.
Or maybe the records were lost, or maybe the old people were senile and confused, , or maybe they were practical jokers and knew that nobody remembered them as young people and they could get away with whatever they said.

[Mart]

It was found, that after the Deluge, or Flood, people started to live considerably shorter. Here is an article, that explains why:
http://www.examiner.com/article/global-flood-and-cancer

In short, before the Flood Earth had a kind of atmospheric water layer, or high temperature water vapor due to radiation, or some say could be ice, on higher altitude? Anyway, this provided shielding from ionizing radiation from the Sun. Now we cannot escape this, unless maybe at the bottom of the ocean.

Additional effect was increased oxygen partial pressure, as creationists suspect the total Earth pressure was something above 2.0 atm.
Here is something I found on HBOT as anti-aging:
http://deserthealthnews.com/stories/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-can-it-turn-back-the-clock/

Both effects combined allowed for 900 years life span. This is what creationism states. If these things are true, interesting would be to see some experimental results.
What I am afraid though, is that some people in such case could get an idea to revert The Flood. How? Evaporating oceans?
In creationisms The Flood was precipitation of that water atmospheric layer. Earth had much less surface waters before. Climate was different, that is why we find plants beneath antarctic ice.
And we approach technological capabilities of evaporating oceans.

This topic is what interests me, so I was reading about for some years now.

[Valka]

And this is only a small part, like many findings/options/etc. According to Bible, people were living over 900 years before the deluge, and creationists explain why, if someone believes that.

I figure that part of the book is really old, has been retold, translated and transcribed a lot.
Sometimes I wonder if maybe they only lived ,  say, 900 months. Wouldn't that be remarkable in the stone or bronze age, before sanitation, medicine, nutrition, parasitology, etc.? I think so.  Or maybe somebody moved a decimal or comma or put down an extra zero.

This is basically what Isaac Asimov suggested. In one of his essays he said that there could have been a mistranslation somewhere along the way, in which months became years, since 900 months is a respectable lifespan even now, although quite a few people in the West tend to live 5-10 years longer than that due to better nutrition and advanced medicine.

[Buster's Uncle]

I never gave the long lives a lot of thought, but I never took the account of very much in the book of Genesis as literally true.  A 900-year lifespan is hardly the most difficult thing in the narrative to reconcile with what we now know is possible.

-As far as the healthy living part, it's certainly true that there's a lot most of us can do to increase our chances at health and long life - the first step, is I gotta get up out of this chair more.

[Flux]

I never gave the long lives a lot of thought, but I never took the account of very much in the book of Genesis as literally true.  A 900-year lifespan is hardly the most difficult thing in the narrative to reconcile with what we now know is possible.

-As far as the healthy living part, it's certainly true that there's a lot most of us can do to increase our chances at health and long life - the first step, is I gotta get up out of this chair more.

If you're willing to let go of keeping your ridiculous PPD up, you can do this.

[Buster's Uncle]

Yes.

[Rusty Edge]

This is basically what Isaac Asimov suggested. In one of his essays he said that there could have been a mistranslation somewhere along the way, in which months became years, since 900 months is a respectable lifespan even now, although quite a few people in the West tend to live 5-10 years longer than that due to better nutrition and advanced medicine.

Thank You. Well, I don't think I've read his essays, but apparently it occurred to him first.

[Valka]

This is basically what Isaac Asimov suggested. In one of his essays he said that there could have been a mistranslation somewhere along the way, in which months became years, since 900 months is a respectable lifespan even now, although quite a few people in the West tend to live 5-10 years longer than that due to better nutrition and advanced medicine.

Thank You. Well, I don't think I've read his essays, but apparently it occurred to him first.

He wrote hundreds of essays, and some of my favorites are about time and the calendar. One of his essay collections is called Science, Numbers, and I. I'm not sure, but the one I refer to above may be in this volume.

[Rusty Edge]

It was found, that after the Deluge, or Flood, people started to live considerably shorter. Here is an article, that explains why:
http://www.examiner.com/article/global-flood-and-cancer

In short, before the Flood Earth had a kind of atmospheric water layer, or high temperature water vapor due to radiation, or some say could be ice, on higher altitude? Anyway, this provided shielding from ionizing radiation from the Sun. Now we cannot escape this, unless maybe at the bottom of the ocean.

First, let me make clear that I don't have the science education that most of you here seem to have, and beyond biology, I don't share the interest. So I may not know much about what I'm going to address.

Sure, I can accept that a dramatic difference in radiation could affect longevity. Maybe a sunspot storm could even damage genes and shorten lifespans ever after. I'm sure people could live longer, healthier lives if there were no cancer...at least in my family.

But I'm not sure I accept this premise from your link-
1Ionizing radiation affected the earth after the Global Flood, but not before. As Brown discusses elsewhere, every radioactive element in the earth's crust formed during the Global Flood event. Magnitude-10-to-12 earthquakes deformed the quartz in the earth's crust. This generated megavolt electric potentials. These sufficed to turn large amounts of heavy elements into plasma. The plasma fused and formed super-heavy elements. These then split or cluster-decayed to form uranium, thorium, and the other heavier-than-lead elements. All this produced background radiation human beings had never before known.

I don't think new elements are formed at low, life sustaining temperatures. Is cold fusion a proven fact? I thought you naturally needed supernovae and such, or artificial  nuclear reactions to create new atoms. All of the heavier than lead elements in the Earth's crust were created during or since the Great Flood?  That sounds.... rather unlikely.

I didn't go to college, and even my high school education is outdated by today's standards. I could be wrong.

[Rusty Edge]

While I have a personal experience with oxygen during hospitalization for an obscure genetic lung issue, and dislike for it, I certainly agree with the statement-
fight infection by destroying bacteria, viruses, parasites and fungi that thrive in low-oxygen environments.

[Mart]

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But I'm not sure I accept this premise from your link-
1Ionizing radiation affected the earth after the Global Flood, but not before. As Brown discusses elsewhere, every radioactive element in the earth's crust formed during the Global Flood event. Magnitude-10-to-12 earthquakes deformed the quartz in the earth's crust. This generated megavolt electric potentials. These sufficed to turn large amounts of heavy elements into plasma. The plasma fused and formed super-heavy elements. These then split or cluster-decayed to form uranium, thorium, and the other heavier-than-lead elements. All this produced background radiation human beings had never before known.

I don't think new elements are formed at low, life sustaining temperatures. Is cold fusion a proven fact? I thought you naturally needed supernovae and such, or artificial  nuclear reactions to create new atoms. All of the heavier than lead elements in the Earth's crust were created during or since the Great Flood?  That sounds.... rather unlikely.

I didn't go to college, and even my high school education is outdated by today's standards. I could be wrong.

I agree, synthesis of heavy elements cause of earthquakes seems completely fiction, at first. Then, they suggest quite strong earthquakes, 10 to 12 magnitude, also plasma state. Maybe there is truth in this, we would know more, if someone tried it experimentally. All this is hypothetical. The same hypothetical is heavy elements synthesis in supernovas. We just think this is how they were made. theories are build based on some data from other processes, but more exact experiments will probably stay out of our reach for long time. There is though an alternative to supernova heavy elements synthesis, which is called r-process (rapid), it is s-process (slow), that can occur in stars and in not so high temperatures, as they say.

A large part of this issue is time itself. Quantum physics is just abundant in incredible findings in last decades. A lot of our science is based on assumptions, that in time turn out not to be true.
Recently two things from cosmology/physics were very interesting or incredible, like almost unreal for me. When I watch and listen to some statements of cosmologists and physicists, I wonder, do they do science or fiction? These two are:
- quantum entanglement and what it implies for time.
- holographic universe

So the entanglement:
Here a short, easy to watch explanation, intro style
http://www.universetoday.com/109525/quantum-entanglement-explained/

and this article is very interesting.
https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/quantum-experiment-shows-how-time-emerges-from-entanglement-d5d3dc850933
In short, what they conclude:
"...
This is an elegant and powerful idea. It suggests that time is an emergent phenomenon that comes about because of the nature of entanglement. And it exists only for observers inside the universe. Any god-like observer outside sees a static, unchanging universe, just as the Wheeler-DeWitt equations predict.
..."
So everything is in fact simultaneous? time is a sequence of quantum states? (I read it some time ago, don't remember where) and someone from outside sees it all static!!!

Can there be outside? At first, seems there can be no outside, there is matter and space, but when we go into the holographic universe stuff...

Some materials, lengthy, but they say so much new stuff:
Leonard Susskind on holographic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIl3Hfh9tY
another discussion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsbZT9bJ1s4

Interesting are also explanations of how everything in our universe can be presented on 2D surface - black holes and their event horizon

And there is also a series of videos, but from part 3 the author enters into area of mysticism. The first 2.5 parts are quite scientific ones though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMBt_yfGKpU

So is our universe/dimension a projection from some outside?
Is our consciousness from that outside?

[Yitzi]

This is basically what Isaac Asimov suggested. In one of his essays he said that there could have been a mistranslation somewhere along the way, in which months became years, since 900 months is a respectable lifespan even now, although quite a few people in the West tend to live 5-10 years longer than that due to better nutrition and advanced medicine.

It's difficult to say that, though, as then you'd also have to cut down the rest of the stuff in that passage similarly, meaning that Enoch fathered Methusaleh when he was only 65 months old.

[Rusty Edge]

This is basically what Isaac Asimov suggested. In one of his essays he said that there could have been a mistranslation somewhere along the way, in which months became years, since 900 months is a respectable lifespan even now, although quite a few people in the West tend to live 5-10 years longer than that due to better nutrition and advanced medicine.

It's difficult to say that, though, as then you'd also have to cut down the rest of the stuff in that passage similarly, meaning that Enoch fathered Methusaleh when he was only 65 months old.

    That is somewhat problematic.