Star Trek

[Buster's Uncle]

-Ooh, and the wrong image on that first vid above points out another omission on my part - The Time Machine, like War of the Worlds, a George Pal 50's film that was not utter stupid crap.  That's at least five good to ok ones I can name pre-Star Trek.

You should track down the lot and watch, as you're, whomever you are, almost certainly an SF fan...

[Buster's Uncle]

The narrator/ostensible author of this vid appears to not have even been born when TNG came out, and I'd LOVE to do an old guy edit for not-stupid context --- but the criticisms, on the whole, are essentially correct.

The first bunch of YouTube comments I see in a quick glance are pretty intelligent/sensible.

[Geo]

This is were you wanted to comment on YT?

[Buster's Uncle]

It was - I made some sense of half the stupidities mentioned there lately, and I wish someone would read it...

[Buster's Uncle]

On Mylochka's recommendation, here's one on the dance career of the Divine Miss Julie Newmar, star of Friday's Child and therein survivor of a slap fight w/ Dr. McCoy.

And here's the theme from Here Come the Brides:

-which has TWO related Star Trek connections - it costarred Spock's dad, Mark Leonard, and someone snuck an extensive crossover into a late eighties Star Trek novel w/o securing the rights or telling the editor or publisher.  There was a legal mess, I don't recall how it was resolved, but I'm not sure you can find the novel now...

[Buster's Uncle]

Ah.  Ishmael by Barbara Hambly - underlines what I say that a lot of the pro novels are paid fanfic.  Hambly is definitely One Of Us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael_(Hambly_novel)

It's actually an okay book IIRC, and I'm put out Wikipedia let us down not relating the rights/legal controversy...


Google, however, can be my friend:

"AI Overview

"The "Here Come the Brides" episode featuring a Star Trek crossover faced legal trouble due to copyright issues. A fan-fiction novel incorporating characters from both shows was published without proper authorization from Paramount, leading to its removal from publication.

"Elaboration:

"The fan-fiction novel in question, "Ishmael," crossed over characters from "Star Trek: The Original Series" with the "Here Come the Brides" series. Specifically, it featured Mr. Spock with amnesia, time-traveling to Seattle and interacting with Aaron Stempel, a character from "Here Come the Brides". Mark Lenard, who played Sarek in "Star Trek" and Aaron Stempel in "Here Come the Brides," was also involved in the book's creation.

"However, the novel was published without securing the necessary permissions from Paramount, the studio that owned the rights to the "Star Trek" characters. This resulted in the book being pulled from shelves due to copyright infringement.

"The legal issues highlight the importance of respecting copyright and obtaining proper permissions when using licensed characters in creative works, even in fan-made projects."



-Hambly swears elsewhere she told her editor, and the AI made that up about Leonard being involved in the book, not an episode of anything.  Hambly does not relate anything about the book getting pulled, though that was my understanding back then, so still confused.  She also tells that Mark Leonard said he and a number of other Here Come the Brides actors passed the book around as the most hootful thing ever.

[Buster's Uncle]

The first Star Trek: Starfleet Academy trailer is filled with Easter eggs
Story by Lawrence Bonk • 5d •
2 min read

We've known Star Trek: Starfleet Academy was coming for a while now, but we finally have some real footage. Paramount just dropped a trailer, in addition to an official announcement that the show will premiere in "early 2026."

For the uninitiated, the show is set at the titular Starfleet Academy in future San Francisco and follows a group of cadets and their instructors. The trailer introduces us to all of the major characters, more or less, all while chancellor Holly Hunter does her best space Dumbledore and delivers a rousing speech.

Eagle-eyed fans, however, will notice an abundance of Easter eggs in this footage. Starfleet Academy is where nearly every major Star Trek character in franchise history went to school, and they've all left their footprints here. There are shoutouts to James Kirk, Wesley Crusher, Tom Paris and, most interestingly, a class that examines the ultimate fate of Deep Space Nine head honcho Benjamin Sisko.

The trailer also re-introduces two fan-favorite characters from previous installments. Robert Picardo returns as the holographic doctor from Star Trek: Voyager and the one-and-only Tig Notaro returns as snark-mouthed engineer Jett Reno from Star Trek: Discovery. Holograms don't age, but people do, so I wonder what kind of sci-fi gobbleygook they'll come up with as to why Picardo now looks older.



The holographic Doctor.


Speaking of the passage of time, there's the Discovery-sized elephant in the room. Starfleet Academy is set in the 32nd century, after the crew of the Discovery accidentally ended up there at the end of season two. This is 800 years after the 90s shows like The Next Generation and 900 years after the original series. So this means any and all connections between planets and species are likely to be radically different, as eight centuries is a really, really long time. Just think about how different the year 1225 was from today.

The show premieres in six or seven months on Paramount+. Star Trek: Starfleet Academy stars the aforementioned Holly Hunter, Sandro Rosta, Karim Diané, Kerrice Brooks and Paul Giamatti as the half-Klingon antagonist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-first-star-trek-starfleet-academy-trailer-is-filled-with-easter-eggs/ar-AA1JrYEq?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=42923a2b0c86492b86bab1984e076ca2&ei=13


It is a series then - and 32nd century just lost me forever.

[Ordnael]

I just hope Robert Picardo can bring more energy to this new show than what Patrick brought with him for Picard's.
Knowing Picardo a bit, my wife, who really like to delve deep into the actors, has shown a few somewhat recent media bits from him, and he still feels energic. So I am hoping for a good show.

Btw I am new here. Peace and long life to you all
I am good for discussing on screen Mem Alpha type stuff from Star Trek, Beta not really as those works never did find their way into my little country of Portugal. From TOS to DiscoTrek season 4 I've seen all. Saving SNW for when it's finished and the Section31 TV movie when I finish DiscoTrek season 5.

[Buster's Uncle]

I don't think ... the Doctor was a very well-thought-through character, but the problem was never Picardo's performance, which was nicely enthusiastic, pretty much always.  If they've got a good rationale for him and him looking that age in the 32nd century, I don't anticipate that being a problem.

[Ordnael]

Imho The Doctor did went over the edge of what's acceptable for the MD of a starship stranded on the Delta Quadrant a few times.
I reminisce that I was not a fan of his attitude about pursuing an opera singer career while leaving the Voyager crew to their luck.
Bad doctor...bad doctor.

[Buster's Uncle]

Not well thought out, but also, that was his story, that he was made a person and surpassed his mere programming.

Too bad that was just Data all over again - he was Pinocchio, even more than Spock substitute.


One more post, and I won't have to approve your Rec Commons posts anymore...

[Ordnael]

Data was way more blank from the beginning and he only starts getting an "id" towards the end of TNG...he was good old reliable Data, always experimenting with a flavour of the week human behaviour or attempting to emulate an emotion.
The Doctor started out with an attitude right out of the bat. I believe ST holo personas can be "programmed" with emotion or reflexive behaviour to a certain query to better adjust the "simulation" with the person they're interacting. The Doctor was really lacking in his bedside manners to a fault.
Data might have served as a Spock for TNG, but he definitely goes at the Pinocchio idea from the opposite end of Spock who aims at logic without feelings...at least for TOS and TAS...then Kirk finally completes him in the silver screen
I don't think the Doctor gets to be Voyager's Pinnochio...Seven plays that role much better.

[Buster's Uncle]

Yet they both played it.  She didn't actually want to, contra Data, Be A Real Boy.  Doctor did.  She was just looking for who she really was...

[Ordnael]

But Doctor went about it the wrong way many times...
I am reminded of that time Janeway erased his memory of the death of some female ensign of which The Doctor's medical triage method played a part, and this gave all sort of "mental" problems for The doctor, hampering his daily MD routines.

In the end Janeway, captaining a starship amidst "nowhere" and "hunting for resources" "fending hunters"...so with a very full plate on her hands, had to resign to sit with the doctor in an empty holodeck and patiently babysit him to work out if his actions towards that ensign were correct or not...but something very, in my regard, pertaining to the bone of being a doctor...and he couldn't work this through alone and he was supposed to be holographic simulation of a starship doctor no more no less.

So again Janeway did admirably for a "being" she didn't consider much of a sentient individual...that from times to times demands to be treated as regular humanoid member of crew which is OK as he grows above his "programming" but other times calls her out, disrespectfully imho, on giving him more and more "freedom" even above a regular officer.

My point being, which I probably lost already somewhere in this wall of text, is that he is no Data and a Data MD would have been a boon on Voyagers predicament reaching the Alpha Quadrant, instead of a holo with attitude...and I am saying this while loving the Doctors character, his shenanigans with Seven and all the flair Picardo poured into the character...
But did he really had to make Janeway's life harder the way he did because "muh" feelings and freedom must be considered along with the Voyagers troubles ?

[Buster's Uncle]

Well - the Doctor is a character like Spock who, by his nature -OCD/Aspergers spectrum somewhere- we nurdz can easily identify with.  That, again, is his story/character arc, Data's, Pieces of Eight's, exploring being human.  Coincidentally, somewhat opposite of Spock's goals.