Star Trek

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These are Vic Mignogna playing Star Trek as a kid...

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...He looked even younger than James Crawley then...

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Followed a truck into work, had NCCsomenumbershere I on the plate and a Starfleet logo on the back window...I rolled my eyes and thought of this thread. 

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I don't think much of people who wear it on their sleeve.

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Balance of Error
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Everything You Never Knew About 'Star Trek,' Spock and Leonard Nimoy
Good Morning America
By MICHAEL ROTHMAN  1 hour ago
 






Adam Nimoy lost his father, Leonard, right in the middle of filming what was supposed to be a celebration of "Star Trek's" 50th anniversary and its influence on pop culture to this very day.

Nimoy died at the age of 83 in February 2015 and Adam had to not only grieve, but figure out what direction he wanted his film to take. He eventually turned it into a love letter to the man who millions knew simply as Mr. Spock.

Though he told ABC News at the film's Tribeca Film Festival premiere that his relationship with his father was certainly "complicated and fascinating," the outpouring of emotion from fans all over the world really compelled him to move forward with "For the Love of Spock."

"My stepmother [Susan Bay], said I needed to include my own perspective, my own story, my own journey with my dad," Nimoy continued, "which had a lot of ups and downs, but ended on a good note. We thought it was a story worth telling to make the film unique."

Even Nimoy himself, 59, said he learned things about his father from directing the picture. So, without further ado, here is what you may not know about Spock, Leonard and "Star Trek," as told by Adam and others in his touching film.


Leonard's Parents Were Against Him Acting

The film explains that his parents grew up during the Great Depression and were "grief stricken" when he told them he wanted to study drama.


Leonard Focused on His Career When Adam and Julie Were Young

Julie was also featured in the doc and said he would often sleep on his couch on the set and never turned down appearances, because he didn't want to see his family struggle.

He also really took the role of Spock seriously, his children said. He would come home, eat and run lines with his wife. But being Spock, he wasn't the warmest father. He was quiet and remote, Julie added.


Spock Was Created With Nimoy in Mind

He thought he was auditioning for the original "Star Trek" series in the 1960's, but he realized that the creator was actually "selling" him on taking the job.

Nimoy added in the film that prior to "Star Trek," he never had a job that lasted longer than two weeks.


The First "Star Trek" Pilot Was a Failure

But they ordered a second pilot and replaced the entire cast except for Nimoy. The original captain was Jeffrey Hunter, not William Shatner. Nimoy said Shatner just had more energy and was the Yin to Spock's Yang.


No Color TV

The night of the "Star Trek" premiere in September 1966, Adam said he had to go watch at a friend's house, because the Nimoys didn't have a color TV back then.


Nimoy's View of Spock

Nimoy said he didn't play a man without emotions, but played a character who tried to keep his emotions in check. He said he was influenced by Harry Belafonte.

He watched him perform and how he just stood there with his hands at his sides. But when he made any gesture, the crowd lost its minds. That really got Nimoy's attention.


The Vulcan Grip

This was Nimoy's idea. Originally, he was supposed to hit Captain Kirk with the butt of a gun, but Nimoy thought they needed something better. Shatner sold the move and the rest is cinematic history.


The Vulcan Greeting

Nimoy spent his childhood going to synagogue for the High Holidays and he saw some of the symbols used during the chants, including one with the hands. It was in the shape of the Hebrew letter for Shin. That ended up being what he went with and within days of the series airing on TV, Nimoy said fans started using the greeting with him on the street.


The Fans

Nimoy didn't know "Star Trek" was going to be such a hit, so his address and number were published. Big mistake. Trucks had to come eventually, Adam said, delivering loads of letters and fans would stop by the house to see if they could meet Leonard or take a souvenir.


Diversity Important to Leonard

When the casting for the "Star Trek" animated series took place in the 70's, George Takei and Nichelle Nichols were left off the cast. Nimoy refused to move forward without his former colleagues from the original show.

"It says a lot about Leonard," Takei said on the doc.


"Star Trek: The Motion Picture"

After Henry Fonda gave Leonard a heads up about Spock's likeness being marketed by the studio, he filed suit. The studio settled and even asked Nimoy to be in the 1979 film.

Nimoy said a check arrived at the house and a script an hour later.


Directing

At first, producers tried to talk Nimoy out of directing "Star Trek 3," but with its success, he directed the next one.

His children say "Star Trek: The Voyage Home" was one of the heights of his career. Then came "Three Men and a Baby."


A Low Point

After Nimoy directed "The Good Mother" in 1988, it was a box office failure, and at the same time, Adam said their relationship hit an all-time low. Leonard's parents also passed around that time and he went through his divorce with his first wife, Sandra.

"He was also drinking and I was getting high at the time," Adam said.


Recovery

After marrying Susan in 1989, Leonard kept drinking and realized he needed to seek recovery for his alcoholism. He started drinking on the set of the original series and admitted it slowly got worse and worse over time. Eventually, Adam would seek his own recovery, he said in the film.


The Rebirth of "Star Trek"

Adam said working with J.J. Abrams was yet another high point in his life, as the famed director rebooted the series in a new direction.

Abrams shared a personal story in the documentary, where Leonard fell while filming and broke his nose.

"When you've wounded Spock you want to kill yourself," he said. But Nimoy wanted to keep shooting.

"Is he out of his f----- mind, he just broke his nose," Abrams said.


Adam and Leonard

After being estranged years earlier, Adam and Leonard reconnected in 2008 and started to talk again. After Adam's wife Martha was diagnosed with terminal cancer, the first phone call he made was to his dad.

"It overwhelms me now that we could get to that point," Adam said. "After that, my dad and I never looked back at wreckage from the past."


Leonard Died a Family Man

The movie ends with how happy the movie icon was being with his family. He said he used to major in career and minor in family. That changed before he passed on Feb. 27, 2015.

For more information or movie times and where you can see "For the Love of Spock," visit the website at FortheLoveofSpock.com.

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-Very little I never knew about 'Star Trek,' Spock and Leonard Nimoy.

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Yeah, but I'd watch the documentary. 

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Well, yeah.

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"TOS Kirk and crew steal the Enterprise in 1907."

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Federation Falling? CBS brings a halt to crowdfunding of the Star Trek Horizon sequel – Does this signal the end of fan films?
TrekMovie.com
by Carlos Pedraza,  April 21, 2016






The Axanar copyright lawsuit has just claimed its first casualty: Not Axanar itself (yet), but the sequel to the recently released — and well-received — Star Trek – Horizon. Does this signal the end of all Star Trek fan films?


The Horizon sequel, Federation Rising, was due to begin a crowdfunding campaign on Saturday, April 23, but a call from CBS to creator Tommy Kraft has ended that. And it appears to be Axanar’s fault.

In a lengthy post to the Star Trek – Horizon Facebook page, Kraft wrote:

Executives from CBS reached out to me and advised me that their legal team strongly suggested that we do not move forward with plans to create a sequel to Horizon. While this is a sign of the current climate that we find ourselves in with Star Trek fan films, I want to personally thank CBS for reaching out to me, rather than including us in their ongoing lawsuit against Axanar.

At the heart of that lawsuit, of course, are the Star Trek copyrights owned by CBS Studios and Paramount Pictures, under dispute while the studios litigate against Axanar Productions and its owner, Alec Peters.



Tommy Kraft on the set of his first fan film, the well-received Star Trek–Horizon.


The typical course of action in Kraft’s situation, would have been for CBS to issue a cease-and-desist (or C&D) letter, advising him to stop the offending action or face formal legal action. But Kraft appeared to get surprisingly kinder, gentler treatment. He said:

It was conveyed that the reason CBS was reaching out to me was due to the legal troubles stemming from the Axanar case. Again, CBS did not have to reach out personally. The message I received felt more like they were giving me a heads up before we got too involved in another project, rather than a group of angry executives swinging a hammer.

The rest of Kraft’s Facebook post goes on to describe an alternate, original science fiction project he will instead develop for its own crowdfunding effort.


What it Doesn’t Mean

Perhaps the best way to figure out what CBS’ move means is to examine what it doesn’t mean. For example, CBS didn’t issue a C&D or threaten further litigation. They instead framed the notice as coming, not from CBS executives themselves, but on the ‘strong suggestion’ of their legal team at Loeb & Loeb.


Parsing CBS’ Suggestion

Breaking down what Kraft said CBS told him may illuminate the implications of this move.

CBS ‘reached out to advise’
Corporations usually demand. The kid gloves — especially since the move was prompted by lawyers — mean something. This is not the way executives (or lawyers, for that matter) act when they want to destroy something. It’s the way they act when they’re trying to keep matters from getting out of hand. This comports with Kraft’s comment that the message “felt more like they were giving me a heads up … rather than a group of angry executives swinging a hammer.”



Loeb & Loeb’s lead attorney for the plaintiffs, Jonathan Zavin, has defended Star Trek’s copyrights before.


‘Their legal team strongly suggested’
While there have been murmurings that some executives within CBS want to do away with fan films because now they’re consuming valuable resources without returning much to the studios, the impetus for Horizon’s shutdown isn’t coming from them, it’s coming from their lawyers. And not corporate counsel but the legal team fighting Axanar. We know this because…

CBS was reaching out because of ‘the legal troubles stemming from the Axanar case’
CBS and Paramount haven’t been relying on their in-house lawyers. They went for powerhouse intellectual property attorneys at Loeb, led by Jonathan Zavin, who has tried cases like this before, including defending Star Trek’s copyrights.


What Might it Actually Mean?

A bit more challenging is sussing out what CBS is actually trying to accomplish by “suggesting” to Kraft that he shut down his sequel before he “got too involved in another [Star Trek] project.”

An important part of Axanar’s narrative in response to the lawsuit has been its insistence that the case:
•Isn’t about money.
•Is only about copyright.

To that end, Axanar has, since the onset of the suit, sought to liken itself to other fan films, but emphasizing that it’s more original, using fewer Star Trek copyrighted elements than the others. Director Robert Meyer Burnett said:

The problem with [other] Star Trek fan films is they’re trying to recreate Star Trek. As good as their productions might be … you’re still watching actors that aren’t Kirk, Spock and McCoy. While they painstakingly recreate the bridge or the props and everything, you know you’re not watching real Star Trek.

The more unique Axanar is, the more reasonable a lawsuit against it might seem. The more alike to other fan films, the more they’re all threatened by the outcome of the case. This move by CBS seems to move in the direction of the latter — except the timing of CBS’ intervention with Kraft’s production may be significant.


Parsing CBS’ Goals

‘The message felt more like a heads up before we got too involved in another project’
Kraft was literally a couple days away from beginning the Kickstarter campaign for Federation Rising. If CBS’ objective was truly to shut down all fan films, why not simply C&D all of them? No. They chose one, the one about to embark on a quarter-million-dollar crowdfunding effort, and they asked — they suggested — he stop.

Everyone infringes
 Almost by definition, all fan films infringe. Intellectual property lawyer Mary Ellen Tomazic calls it “tolerated use,” in which copyright holders turn a blind eye so long as the project doesn’t commercialize their intellectual property. This has been going on for decades, tolerated with few problems.

Until crowdfunding
 Suddenly, fan producers had access to what has become millions of dollars for their productions. “Sometimes a good thing can’t last,” writes Jonathan Bailey in an article, “How Money and Fame Have Changed Fan Fiction,” on his website, Plagiarism Today:

The truth is that Axanar may be a turning point in the relationship between rightsholders and fan fiction creators, a relationship that’s about to get a lot more complex. … The battle lines were being redrawn and the reason was because the Internet was, slowly, turning fan fiction and fan art into big business.

Tomazic, writing in her blog, “Intellectual Property Law: Fan Films – Breaking the Unwritten Rules and Defining Profit,” states that fan works like Axanar can’t avoid money issues:

The case revolves around what “profiting” from a fan film includes — can a filmmaker hire actors, set designers and build out a studio with crowdfunded money to make a “fan” film? Can he pay himself a salary from the funds? Paramount and CBS say no, deciding that this Axanar movie is no fan film but a competing product made from their copyrights and trademarks. The lawsuit is their way of reining in their previous tolerance of unlicensed use of their intellectual property, and protecting their legal rights under federal law.

Rules for the Future
 The eventual impact of this case, according to Tomazic, may well limit what true fan productions can do in the future:

The Axanar lawsuit should serve as a cautionary tale for all fan film makers, as it will most likely result in strongly stated and probably strict parameters being set by other rights holders for future tolerated use of their intellectual property. Peters, by going too far in making a film that was no longer a fan film but a low-budget film with paid professionals competing with Star Trek works, crossed that line. He may have made it more difficult for fans to pay homage to their favorite movies with a lovingly crafted but still unauthorized work.

Indeed, Axanar producer Alec Peters had asked CBS and Paramount to more rigidly define what fan productions can and cannot do. Bailey, however, believes that is not likely to happen:

A fan creation [may] comply with the letter of the law but still be undesirable or even harmful to the original creation. … Rightsholders, almost universally, want flexibility when it comes to dealing with fan creations and, with that flexibility, comes uncertainty. We’re not likely to see many rightsholders laying down hard rules, save in specific areas, and that is going to create a great deal more fan-creator conflicts in the near future.

So what new restrictions may lie within Bailey’s “specific areas” that may overlap with Tomazic’s new “strict parameters”?

The End of Crowdfunding
“The love of money,” the Bible tells us, “is the root of all evil.” This may end up as the precept behind what CBS and Paramount impose on fan productions. Crowdfunding presents the studios with difficult problems for them to get over:
1.Relative ease — it’s as easy as having a good idea and a well-planned campaign.
2.Lack of accountability — as Axanar and other crowdfunded projects have demonstrated, crowdfunding success can transmogrify into mission creep, ballooning costs and questionable spending.
3.Others earning profits — it’s not just productions themselves (like Axanar’s putative movie studio and extensive merchandise sales), but the crowdfunding platforms (e.g., Indiegogo and Kickstarter) who earn a percentage from funds raised by projects using unlicensed intellectual property.

The crowdfunding platforms have policies in place that supposedly prohibit projects that use intellectual property to which they don’t have rights, but both Kickstarter and Indiegogo appear to have ignored their own rules. They both wooed Axanar because it had proven it could raise big money; they turned a blind eye to Axanar’s explicit admission that it did not have the backing of the copyright holders in producing its Star Trek film.

In the long term, by focusing on the crowdfunding platforms, the studios can continue to keep their hands-off policy with fan films. By threatening Indiegogo and Kickstarter with legal action if they don’t police unlicensed use of their intellectual property on their platforms, the studios choke off the most problematic aspects of fan films, the ones that stem from unrestricted crowdfunding.

This action, if it is indeed the studios’ goal, resets fan films to a simpler time, when costs prohibited them from threatening Star Trek’s copyrights in any meaningful way that can’t be handled with C&Ds. Axanar’s fundraising success had put it in a new category: A fan film with lots of cash on hand. No C&D could, by itself, deal with the reality of that money. A lawsuit provided the only instrument to address the hundreds of thousands of dollars Axanar still had on hand while its film continued to be postponed, as well as the way hundreds of thousands more had already been spent as seed funding for the company’s commercial ventures.

Where do other fan films go from here? Their territory remains uncharted.[/size]

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[fuddle-duddle].

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...Valka?  Is it true that the HoserFolk of the Distant IceLands can't get this?

[Valka]

"This" what?  There's nothing visible in your post other than words.

If you're referring to the new 2017 Star Trek TV series, yeah, we're not allowed to watch it. They're filming it in Toronto, employing Canadian technicians and cast (as per the usual agreements for foreign TV/movie companies who film here), but the series will be shown on a website that Canadians cannot legally view due to geoblocking.

So right off the bat, I'm in a Very Bad Mood about it.


(BTW, "hoser" is not a nice word.)

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It the trailer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xXpPweAooeE -Some ad-blocker problem?

Hun, you wear Canadian on your sleeve -you mention your frustration Canadians can't get it (and I wouldn't take it to the bank that that won't be fixed in time) every single time the new show comes up- and that was a gentle troll, since you've been a good sport about me calling you a dirty foreigner and such before.  Clarification: is there some profane/vulgar connotation the h-word I'm not aware of, or you just don't like it?  It's anatomical, isn't it?  I won't use it again, of course. 

(Everybody should be allowed the dignity and pride of the ways they identify, including nationally, of course.  It's just polite to respect that.  My teasing of anyone here for being a godless non-American of dubious hygiene, habits and character, is not serious at all, and I'm glad everybody's a good sport about it.  Star Trek was rather ground-breaking TV, let's never forget, for the sheer magnitude of how it embraced diversity.  I try to be like that in my heart, and cherish what all my friends around the world teach me about how the world looks from where they are.)


Leaving aside my preconceptions, the trailer, eh, looks like Abomination or at least Fake - towards the end, though, I did see why it excited people, with effective use of the Courage theme opening note, and the Enterprise logo.  -Of course, it is an early teaser, and the information content not subject to change is zero.

But those opening notes --- stir the blood, they do.