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Title: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Buster's Uncle on September 29, 2015, 03:01:14 pm
British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
AFP
By Tony Gamal-Gabriel  5 hours ago


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An Egyptian archaeologist looks at the sarcophagus of King Tutankhamun in his burial chamber in the Valley of the Kings, close to Luxor, on September 28, 2015 (AFP Photo/Khaled Desouki)



Luxor (Egypt) (AFP) - Standing before the majestic gold, ochre and white frescos of Tutankhamun's tomb, British archaeologist Nicholas Reeves on Monday passionately defended his daring theory that Nefertiti is buried in a secret chamber.

With the help of a sophisticated radar, Reeves aims to prove Nefertiti is buried there in a hidden chamber of the young pharaoh's underground tomb that long hid the most fabulous treasure ever discovered in Egypt.

Archaeologists have never discovered the mummy of this legendary beauty who played a major political and religious role in the 14th century BC.

Nefertiti actively supported her husband Akhenaten, the pharaoh who temporarily converted ancient Egypt to monotheism imposing the single cult of sun god Aton.

Reeves's theory is that Nefertiti is buried in a room adjacent to the tomb of Tutankhamun, the son of Akhenaten.

According to Reeves, the boy king, who died unexpectedly at 19, was buried in a rush in an underground burial chamber that was probably not intended for him.


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British Egyptologist Nicholas Reeves talks to journalists before visiting the burial chamber of King Tutankhamun in the Valley of the Kings, close to Luxor, 500 kms south of Cairo on September 28, 2015 (AFP Photo/Khaled Desouki)


His death would have forced priests to reopen Queen Nefertiti's tomb 10 years after her death because the young pharaoh's own had not yet been built, Reeves said at Tutankhamun's tomb in the Valley of the Kings in Luxor, southern Egypt.

In the burial chamber, just a few steps away from the darkened mummy of the boy king who died in 1324 BC after just nine years on the throne, the archaeologist pointed to a fresco representing Tutankhamun and his successor Ay.


- Radar to scan the walls -

Circled by archaeologists and officials from Egypt's antiquities department, Minister of Antiquities Mamduh al-Damati listened attentively to the expert from the American University of Arizona as Reeves said the frescos in the chamber could conceal two secret doors.

"The theory is a very good theory but it doesn't mean it's true. The best theories don't always work," he added with caution, in the midst of the Valley of the Kings where on November 29, 1922 another British Egyptologist, Howard Carter, discovered Tutankhamun's tomb.


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Archaeologists have never discovered the mummy of Nefertiti, a legendary beauty who played a major political and religious role in the 14th century BC (AFP Photo/Michael Sohn)


"But I think it's definitely worth checking because we can check easily and without damage," the archaeologist said, explaining that with a radar being brought in from Japan he will be able to scan the chamber's walls.

"I hope we can do some radar and find out whether there is a hollow," Reeves said, aiming to start the tests in late November.

"You have to get security clearance and that always takes time," he said.

Reeves has been on a visit to Egypt, ending with a press conference in Cairo on Thursday, to discuss his theory with Egyptian colleagues and for preliminary research in the field.


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The golden sarcophagus of King Tutankhamun in his burial chamber in the Valley of the Kings, close to Luxor, on September 28, 2015 (AFP Photo/Khaled Desouki)


"I am now 70 percent certain that we are going to find something," said Damati, the minister, as he stepped out of the tomb.

Experts from his ministry would have to approve more advanced excavations, which could take between one and three months, to ensure the radar can scan the walls "without damaging them", he said.

But the minister was not so sure that Nefertiti's tomb would be discovered.

He speculated they could find the tomb of Kiya, another of Akhenaton's wives, or even another royal family member whose tomb would have been extended to make room for Tutankhamun.

"If another wing to this tomb or one that predates it is found, that alone would be a major discovery," Egypt's antiquities minister said.


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Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Unorthodox on October 01, 2015, 03:05:28 pm
Just catching up.

I LOVE everything King Tut Related.  Hope it's true.  More King Tut Curse!!!
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 01, 2015, 03:32:39 pm
There seems to be a definite consensus, not just in this article, that he's found a couple of unexplored spaces, so it is kind've exiting.
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: vonbach on October 05, 2015, 01:22:38 am
King Tut's grandmother was a blonde. I'm curious if they ever find the tomb myself.
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 05, 2015, 01:28:51 am
A blonde?  Where'd you get that one?
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: vonbach on October 05, 2015, 01:46:58 am
Its actually well known that the ancient Egyptians were white.
I think theres actually a picture of her mummy somewhere.
I'll have to hunt it down. Ramses was a redhead.
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Up to 70 percent of British men and half of all Western European men are related to the Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, geneticists in Switzerland said.

Scientists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA, reconstructed the DNA profile of the boy Pharaoh, who ascended the throne at the age of nine, his father Akhenaten and grandfather Amenhotep III, based on a film that was made for the Discovery Channel.

The results showed that King Tut belonged to a genetic profile group, known as haplogroup R1b1a2, to which more than 50 percent of all men in Western Europe belong, indicating that they share a common ancestor.

Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent is below 1 percent, according to iGENEA.

"It was very interesting to discover that he belonged to a genetic group in Europe -- there were many possible groups in Egypt that the DNA could have belonged to," said Roman Scholz, director of the iGENEA Centre.

Around 70 percent of Spanish and 60 percent of French men also belong to the genetic group of the Pharaoh who ruled Egypt more than 3,000 years ago.

"We think the common ancestor lived in the Caucasus about 9,500 years ago," Scholz told Reuters.

It is estimated that the earliest migration of haplogroup R1b1a2 into Europe began with the spread of agriculture in 7,000 BC, according to iGENEA.

However, the geneticists were not sure how Tutankhamun's paternal lineage came to Egypt from its region of origin.

The centre is now using DNA testing to search for the closest living relatives of "King Tut."

"The offer has only been publicised for three days but we have already seen a lot of interest," Scholz told Reuters.
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Unorthodox on October 12, 2015, 02:58:12 pm
Its actually well known that the ancient Egyptians were white.
I think theres actually a picture of her mummy somewhere.
I'll have to hunt it down. Ramses was a redhead.


It's actually one of the most heated and tangled debates around.  You're likely referring to the Dynastic Theory, which was en vogue around the 50's, and is still in a lot of textbooks on the subject, but is far from the concensus. 

As for your DNA story, it was a ploy to sell kits from that swiss firm (as if a genetics firm reconstructing DNA based on a VIDEO wasn't enough of a red flag):

http://www.livescience.com/15388-discovery-channel-tutankhamen-dna.html (http://www.livescience.com/15388-discovery-channel-tutankhamen-dna.html)
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A personal genomics company in Switzerland says they've reconstructed a DNA profile of King Tutankhamen by watching the Discovery Channel, claiming the results suggest more than half of Western European men are related to the boy king. But researchers who worked to decode Tut's genome in the first place say the claim is "unscientific."

Swiss genomics company iGENEA has launched a Tutankhamen DNA project based on what they say are genetic markers that appeared on a computer screen during a Discovery Channel special on the famous pharaoh's genetic lineage.

"Maybe they didn't know what they showed, but we got 16 markers from the Y chromosome from these pharaohs," Roman Scholz, the managing director of iGENEA, told LiveScience.



If the claims were true, it would put King Tut in a genetic profile group shared by more than half of Western European men. That would make those men relatives — albeit distant ones — of the pharaoh.

But Carsten Pusch, a geneticist at Germany's University of Tubingen who was part of the team that unraveled Tut's DNA from samples taken from his mummy and mummies of his family members, said that iGENEA's claims are "simply impossible." Pusch and his colleagues published part of their results, though not the Y-chromosome DNA, in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in 2010. The Y chromosome is the sex chromosome found only in males, and looking at the genes in this chromosome would show Tut's male lineage.

Pusch's team used snippets of Y-chromosome DNA  to link Tut to his closest relatives, identifying his mom and dad. But they didn't publish the full genetic data that would allow genomics companies like iGENEA to link modern people to the Tutankhamen lineage. According to Scholz, that crucial data is what appeared on the Discovery Channel.

"Dr. Albert Zink from the EURAC [European Academy of Bolzano, an independent research center] in Bolzano and co-author of the 2010 JAMA publication screened the footage and confirmed that the company acts very unscientific," Pusch wrote in an email to LiveScience. "The Swiss company did not try to get into contact with us prior to launching their new Internet page."

The alleged Discovery Channel markers put Tut in a genetic profile group, or haplogroup, that also includes more than half of the men in Western Europe. Scholz said the company is now searching for the closest living relatives of Tutankhamen, men who share all 16 genetic markers on the pharaoh's supposed Y chromosome. Exact matches get a refund for their $179 to $399 test and will also get free additional DNA analysis.

The haplogroup R1b1a2, which iGENEA claims includes King Tut, arose 9,500 years ago in the Black Sea region. How Tut's ancestors would have gotten from that region to Egypt is unknown, but Scholz said iGENEA hopes to learn more by collecting more close and exact matches from modern people of Western European descent.

"The better the match, the more recent the common ancestor," Scholz said.

But people hoping to prove that they've got an ancestor in common with the notoriously sickly boy king should take iGENEA's claims with a grain of salt, Pusch said: "It appears that they try to better sell their DNA testing kit by using the media attention connected to King Tut."

You can follow LiveScience senior writer Stephanie Pappas on Twitter @sipappas. Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: vonbach on October 13, 2015, 01:07:48 pm
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It's actually one of the most heated and tangled debates around.

Heh. I'll just bet it is.
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Unorthodox on October 13, 2015, 03:03:20 pm
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It's actually one of the most heated and tangled debates around.

Heh. I'll just bet it is.

Pretty much ANYTHING Egyptology related has to be taken with a grain of salt.  Prior to the Egyptian revolution, the state controlled all scientific findings and had a very specific agenda they wanted to put forward.  (I'm not sure how it's handled now)  Among the things they strongly discouraged was anything that might suggest ancient Egyptians were anything other than their own race.  Thus published studies on the subject are extremely rare, and usually limited to one individual rather than a population. 

Now, there are certainly articles out there that claim both Eurocentric, and Africentric origins, and I have no doubt you've seen one and taken it as gospel.  That doesn't make it so. 
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: vonbach on October 13, 2015, 11:34:47 pm
The truth is the higher education community and the scientific community that springs from it
is so marxist that its completely compromised. One anonymous professor said it best.
"Politically correct history is so wonderful, you never know whats happened yesterday."

The truth is they have the mummies and the earlier in the dynasty they are the whiter they get.
Title: Re: British archaeologist aims to pinpoint Nefertiti's tomb
Post by: Buster's Uncle on October 13, 2015, 11:43:56 pm
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